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Politics and nudity?
Return to DiscussionsWe could start in places where nudity is already accepted (Haulover Beach, Sandy Hook, etc.) and point out to the local governments that the nude areas are quite popular and it would make sense to expand them, especially if surrounding non-nude areas don't get as much traffic. It would help if we point out how much extra business the nude area attracts (local dining, parking fees, other shopping, etc.) so as to get the local business owners on our side as well. It won't be quick, necessarily, but keeping constant pressure on can wear down opposition. And don't think that the nude area opponents won't be applying pressure to shrink the areas - it's not necessarily a case of doing nothing and keeping what we've got.
Sounds good but consider San Francisco...it used to be legal to be nude there then the businesses got in cahoots with the city council.
It might be better for state and local politicians to come out for more open policies on nudity at the smaller local level. That's how it worked in Vermont and now it's legal everywhere. So then you end up with local police and state Park Rangers all enforcing the laws protecting nudity, even if they don't personally feel comfortable with it. Bernie Sanders didn't make the laws work, but he and other politicians either supported policies or helped push them through. It's tough to make things happen on a huge federal level with such a diverse society. But states are more manageable. That being said, I live in New Hampshire, right next to Vermont, and even though their state has laws protecting nudity I don't know how you could begin to get those laws passed in N.H. but I still think it would be easier than trying to do it nationally.
I think you will find that there is no federal law against nudity, it is legal, given the normal restraints against perversion.
As long there is no presure from society aboute nudist/naturists minority there will be no political sujestion of low legalaize nudism/naturism ]no one will fight for oure rights besides ourself.
Nudity or even nudism or however you want to classify it. Seems to be a very politicalmorally sensitive based issue especially within the Australian State that I live in. Although, nudism seems tobe widely accepted amongst and tolerated somewhat amongstmost people it's the legislation- in relation to 'wilful exposure' that seemingly hamper a great deal of acceptance towards clothing optional beach's in this State itself. Its a very complex issue but, long as you are not in direct sight of public view then it is seems that you are incontravention the Act.
Such laws are still well beyond other States that instituted legal bathing areas as long that individual is not acting in a lewd and provocative manner- which isunderstandable. But, unfortunately these State laws are inparallel with the majority of people that want to remain under these laws. Politicians from conservative mind-setsare able to win support of these voters as it seems that nudist are seemingly the minority within the given population which makes it a more so of an uphill battle on this front.
I can't recall exactly how many people are reckoned to have tried being nude socially by British Naturism, but its in the millions. Many may have only been naked on beaches while holidaying abroad, but a few million adults out of a total population of approx 64 million is a reasonable proportion and a lot of votes. Different countries and cultures have different attitudes to nudity, some European countries like Germany and Holland accept public nudity more widely than say Ireland, even within a country regional attitudes to it can vary noticeably. Even so there are a lot of voters in many countries who have been nude in public, including the USA. Nudists may well be spread thinly across the wider population, much as other interest groups are, so they may not influence local issues strongly. However across a population we do add up to a significant proportion in many countries.
The idea of politicians campaigning nude and therefore hiding less is intriguing, though I suspect there would still be a significant amount of smoke and mirrors involved!
Do you think any USA politician could get elected supporting more nude beaches/parks for nude recreation?
United States politicians live in fear. The fear of offending anyone if they take a stance on anything. Which is why you can't get a straight answer out of them.
I think if any political people outright supported anything involving nudity it would cause a rebellion against that person. People would instantly overreact and assume the worst. Despite the success of Haulover if they were to give the nod to any beaches or open lands being nude friendly it would be done quietly and under the table.
Interesting interesting. Appreciated the Australian data. Thanks to all. I'm trying to understand the obstacles, and any patterns that can be derived from the successes of Vermont, Hauliver, Gunnison Beach. What is the common denominator in those successes? Anyone compared them? Thanks for all the help!
Do you think any USA politician could get elected supporting more nude beaches/parks for nude recreation? German, yes. French, yes. Spanish, yes. In USA?
I I don't know how it would affect their election prospects, but I know for sure that they'd be demonized, characterized, outright lied about by the religious right.
Agreed. Occurred to me as I read all these good thoughts that we also have a big helper here in Canada and the US.
The American Association for Nude Recreation (AANR) -- I believe in them -- good folks, working hard. I enjoy reading their beautiful bulletins, and their advocacy pages with reports on their efforts to promote nude recreation, AND defend it. Check out:
https://www.aanr.com/aanr-on-your-side == great stuff.
I belong to AANR. Dues help them educate the textiled populace. And I also donate each year to their advocacy work. I'm going to write them and see if they have advice I can share here. Great fun!!!
Best to all!
Bob
It might be better for state and local politicians to come out for more open policies on nudity at the smaller local level. That's how it worked in Vermont and now it's legal everywhere. So then you end up with local police and state Park Rangers all enforcing the laws protecting nudity, even if they don't personally feel comfortable with it. Bernie Sanders didn't make the laws work, but he and other politicians either supported policies or helped push them through. It's tough to make things happen on a huge federal level with such a diverse society. But states are more manageable. That being said, I live in New Hampshire, right next to Vermont, and even though their state has laws protecting nudity I don't know how you could begin to get those laws passed in N.H. but I still think it would be easier than trying to do it nationally.
I think you will find that there is no federal law against nudity, it is legal, given the normal restraints against perversion.
That is correct. At canaveral national seashore you can go nude because it is federal land, at first it was fought against by local ordinances, but there was such an uproar about trying to shut it down, the local government cooperated with the nudist group (I think AANR) that an agreement was forged so there was a designated area for the nude beach. The area designated has very little parking so on weekends nudity is greatly expanded to other areas and this tolerated, BUT lewd behavior is frowned upon.
At one point I could see my local government allowing it, but then there was a lot of homes built and that limited the possibility. We have unofficial ares where are nude beaches without much hassle. I think it could be allowed in the gamble rodgers state park area. It would be big business and draw in a lot of revenue if it was allowed.