Without reading this WHOLE thread, but it appearing to be about "gun control" ( which to me, means using both hands ) look at it this way...
Chicago has the toughest gun laws anywhere.
There is more gun violence in Chicago now, than when Al Capone ran things, and there was no gun control at all.
The obvious rests.
It may save one life, but it's far more likely to cost hundreds if not thousands in order to save that one.
No, it's not worth it.
If doing away with seat belts saves just one life, is it worth it ?
"The toughest gun laws anywhere?"
Really? By American standards maybe, but that is a meaningless comparison worldwide. If you think that gun control doesn't work, look at the statistics of gun deaths per capita in Canada, Britain, Scandinavian countries and compare. If you think logically, you will see the difference.
rather than name calling and personal attacks, how about making your point, sight your source and wait for a reply. if personal attacks continue, don't you think you deserve to be flagged?! take your personal attacks elsewhere - clear enough?
This is the way a lot of posts in the forum end up! An issue is presented, there is a significant and polarized but friendly debate, the trolls engage, cite false information, use bogus sources, then start personally attacking all that disagree with them, forcing the attacked to go on the defensive! This is why so many forums have moderators. but here, the attacks go back and forth so often that people forget what the original topic was and have to spend more time countering the attacks than actually debating the topic!
rather than name calling and personal attacks, how about making your point, sight your source and wait for a reply. if personal attacks continue, don't you think you deserve to be flagged?! take your personal attacks elsewhere - clear enough?
This is the way a lot of posts in the forum end up! An issue is presented, there is a significant and polarized but friendly debate, the trolls engage, cite false information, use bogus sources, then start personally attacking all that disagree with them, forcing the attacked to go on the defensive! This is why so many forums have moderators. but here, the attacks go back and forth so often that people forget what the original topic was and have to spend more time countering the attacks than actually debating the topic! Well said FF.Very true and it is sad when both sides of the polarised debate enter into the slagging match.
rather than name calling and personal attacks, how about making your point, sight your source and wait for a reply. if personal attacks continue, don't you think you deserve to be flagged?! take your personal attacks elsewhere - clear enough?
This is the way a lot of posts in the forum end up! An issue is presented, there is a significant and polarized but friendly debate, the trolls engage, cite false information, use bogus sources, then start personally attacking all that disagree with them, forcing the attacked to go on the defensive! This is why so many forums have moderators. but here, the attacks go back and forth so often that people forget what the original topic was and have to spend more time countering the attacks than actually debating the topic! it would eliminate about 2/3 of these posts - well said
I really don't want moderators on this site - that is why they have two IMO.
My original intention of this post was to discuss how Obama (and the rest of his fast to act because you don't want to waste a crisis people) was handling the issue. It is of gun safety and not gun/people control. If gun control is the issue, the propose an amendment to the Constitution and see how far it progresses. In truth, any other attempts to control arms is unconstitutional.
If more people took safety classes like in Switzerland, this may not be an issue. Understanding the operations and functions of various is not a politicians strong point. Most have jumped on the issue because they are NOT up for reelection in a couple of years.
We keep hearing that 90% or so approve of background checks - overall, this may be true but what they fail to mention is that most want to see the wording of any legislation before making a decision to support it.
It's just too bad we don't have a leader in the U.S. I guess we will be on the campaign trail with Obama for the next four years. Too bad for all of us... elections have consequences and you get what you vote for... but that's a topic for another post.