Segueing back to the top of the thread: Escalating bad behavior, each saying the other did it first, around and around.... with guns in hand, such a sequence is lethal. That's doubtless why the OP suggested teaching conflict resolution in school - a very good idea.
You cannot prove that your statement about gun shows, yet all you can do is call others names.
As an outsider - Is it a requirement at gun shows and/or private sales to run the same checks as at a gun store?
Yet you have no proposal for how to stop that or reduce the amount of gun deaths. Your answer is always more guns.
Mr. Soupie, actually you are correct! More guns in the hands of law abiding people is the answer, AND concentrating more on enforcing gun laws on the criminal element. The problem is that politicians focus only on removing guns from the hands of the law abiding and never focus on criminals. They are more interested in making criminals out of the law abiding than going after the real criminals. Almost 100% of the mass shootings occurred in areas that were deemed "Gun Free Zones" which means that only the law abiding complied, while the mass murderer disregarded it! In Portland, OR at the mall where that guy had an AR-15 and started shooting, the MSM spent a lot of time focusing on the reason why he didn't shoot more people was because the gun supposedly jammed but in actuality another mall shopper had a Glock .40 cal handgun pointed at him but did NOT fire. Right after this, the gunman shot himself. (NOTE, this is a common example of saving lives without a shot being fired)
An analogy that you will probably disagree with but I'm going to say it anyway is taking carjackings for example. Try to think like a bad guy for a second. (criminals are bad but generally not stupid) If you had two potential victims in a parking lot to jack, one was getting into a car with an NRA sticker on their back window and the other one has an Obama/Biden Sticker, which one do you think the car jacker would choose as the easier target? NOTE: the fact that someone is a member of the NRA and supports what the organization stands for does not mean that person with the sticker has a gun. Kind of like putting an ADT sign out front of your home, it's a deterrent.
I still challenge you to read More Guns, Less Crime by Lott, the evidence he uses is Not debatable, but I'm sure you will anyway, but it gives a great perspective on how legal gun ownership is a deterrent to crime. I'll also note that the New York newspaper who published all of the names and addresses of pistol permit holders in two NY counties pulled the map not because they had a change of heart about the gun owners, but because they were reminded that all of the other houses who didn't have guns were more vulnerable (including their own) to home invasions! This is a classic example of how trying to limit rights often backfires! There is a reason why they are called "Rights"
As an outsider - Is it a requirement at gun shows and/or private sales to run the same checks as at a gun store?
Rene, to answer your question accurately, it depends on the states. There are a number of states which require paperwork and background check on ALL gun sales, while some only require it for handguns and some private sales are not interfered by the government. Our Federal and State governments like to use the term "Loophole" and "Straw Purchasers" just like a term they made up "Assault Weapons" but the fact is that, after the "Fast and Furious" Scandal in which our government provided thousands of Modern Sporting Rifles to the Mexican Drug Cartels which have been used in thousands of innocent deaths in Mexico and some in the US to push a strict and sweeping gun control agenda within the US and through the UN, it makes me wonder if the majority of the illegal gun trafficking going on in this country is coming from the same source but just being blamed on the Law Abiding. I'll also note that a large number of firearms that make it to the illegal gun trade are stolen from shipping companies such as UPS. The gangs put people on the inside stocking trucks and when they notice packaging that may be a firearm, they put them aside and hide them. The shipping companies have done more to crack down on this, but for a while, they were getting away with thousands of firearms each year this way. One more thing about "LoopHoles" The mother of all Loopholes is the criminal! They loophole themselves out of every law they come across and until they get caught, the criminal actions compound themselves! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that gun laws, gun control, bans and such only affect the law abiding. They have absolutely no effect on the criminal!
Sorry, but that really sounds like one of those crazy right wing conspiracy theories. Blame a delivery company. If you believe that more guns equals less crime, I cannot agree with you. But once again, no one is going to take your guns. You cannot believe that. Unless you, yourself are sporting a grenade launcher.
Sorry, but that really sounds like one of those crazy right wing conspiracy theories. Blame a delivery company. If you believe that more guns equals less crime, I cannot agree with you. But once again, no one is going to take your guns. You cannot believe that. Unless you, yourself are sporting a grenade launcher.
Funny you accuse me of conspiracy theory when everything I said about "Fast and Furious" and UPS is true. I didn't say that UPS itself had anything directly to do with it, but their lack of security had a lot to do with it at the time. I'll add one more. Back in the 90's under President Clinton, the FBI intercepted a Chinese cargo ship at one of the California harbors which had on it thousands of AK-47 style weapons. These AK's were being smuggled into OUR country by China and their intended destination was the street gangs. One of the people involved in the operation was a close friend of the Clintons and spent time in the Lincoln Bedroom. This was swept under the rug though after this information was found out, much like "Fast and Furious" is being done now!
So no one is going to take our guns you say? That is definitely a common statement even said by many gun owners who act as "Sheep" of course, but since this President has taken office the Dept. of Homeland Security has classified any returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan, ALL second Amendment supporters and Pro-Life Advocates as potential domestic terror threats! Couple that with the Agendas of Fast and Furious, their constant blaming of gun owners for the mass killings that have happened, their outright bans politicians have introduced on the Federal and State level, Gun Registration schemes being introduced, the UN Treaty which despite what you think you believe is UN control of our rights, and the 23 executive orders, the only thing standing in the way of total control is the 2nd Amendment itself along with the people. The intent is there and if anyone lets their guard down and just assumes it NOT going to happen, they have no one to blame but themselves if it does. You have no credibility with your grenade launcher comment. Back when the Constitution was written the closest thing to grenade launchers was cannons which were NOT small arms and neither are grenade launchers. They are explosive devices and Pro Second Amendment advocates are not talking about grenade launchers.
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