To those who will not hear
Hi everyone,
Ive been a member of True Nudists for some time and am becoming a little discouraged.
A saying goes something like this: There are none so deaf as those who will not hear, and none so blind as those who will not see. I always believed that given the right information and the right opportunity to digest it, most people would at least understand what nudism is or strives to be, whether they wish to agree with it or not. Im not so sure of that anymore.
There are already many porn sites for activity that is sexual in nature. Many of these sites pose as nudist sites. Others may have started out as nudist sites and become overwhelmed with the pure number of people who would co-opt them for their own non-nudist purposes. There are some truly nudist sites that admit members under the most stringent of conditions to make sure only the most trustworthy nudists/people are admitted. And then there is this site which is, so far, walking the line as it too seems to be overwhelmed by those who would see its use perverted.
For every snugglebunny, rabbitnbunnny, philfreeeuk, jackieinoz, Cheri_Donna, and curt44319, there seem to be at least 50 others whose goals dont seem to mesh with those of this site. Some dont like putting their face on cam for chatting. Others dont like being booted from chat temporarily, I might add for having broken a chat rule. Some wonder why their pictures of blatant erections or obviously spread labia are deleted. (When the labia itself is spread, thats TOO obvious.) Finally, when a heated argument starts, rather than just agreeing to disagree, some launch attacks and even public appeals for a member to be booted off.
This is not what I signed up for. If I want sexually oriented material, there is any number of sites I can go to. In fact, theyre so numerous I wonder how they all manage to survive in such a competitive world. I certainly dont expect them to be representative of nudism and naturism. Thats not their role.
And while it's nice to hear positive thingsabout nudism in mainstream media, I don't actively look to mainstream media to "push" our nudist agenda.
I do expect better from a site like True Nudists. For so long I have been trying to see the newbies as people to educate. Im not sure I have the patience for that any longer. Forum has become a complain-a-thon. One person suggested a Wall of Shame where people who dont follow the rules can be outed. In my opinion, all this would do is give the anti-moderator crowd a place to further tarnish the reputation of some of the best among us.
Indeed, I am discouraged. This site just isnt fun anymore.
Ah Gerry, the site is not a nudist site. It is not here to educate what nudism is all about. It is an adult site. TT1 should admit it as such, and stop the pretext of it being a nudist site, for by trying to claim it to be a nudist site, he does real harm to the movement. How can any newbie be here long and not draw the conclusion from the site that nudism is all about sex. It should require adult verification to enter. I came to this conclusion not long after joining. It is true, there are some nudists here, who, like you, would see the site as a vehicle to educate. They are very much in the minority, a small club within this site. And like you, are very frustrated with what they see and hear here. Still, they support TT1 and excuse him from keeping the site, a nudist site, because, after all, he is too busy. I am not so generous. If he insists on total control of the site's content, then he is responsible for the sex on the site. I will let you draw your own conclusion as to where that puts him, in my eyes, on the perv scale. In my view, there is only one member here who really needs to be brought to task for their behavior. And until that member is brought into the fold, the rest of the complaints are futile.
As usual whenever you post your thoughts are well considered and to the point. It is indeed unfortunate that TN is becoming a forum for those who wish to turn it into a sexually oriented site and the most strident among them ignite flame wars. The present system of banning is ineffectual as many simply return under a new profile. TN is being overrun with inappropriate groups and threads. Almost every day one or more new group are started which are dedicated to subjects which are very much against the TOs of the site yet they quickly gain new members.
Thank you Gerry for again voicing a fine opinion. I too am tired of the sites sexual nature in its blind following of the $$$ which is in IMHO why the sexuality is being allowed to thrive here.
And Orient I sadly think you are right and the site will become a NIMO site unless something is done soon.
Gerry, I know exactly what you mean. I very seldom read the forums - I only did this time as I saw youoriginated it. I don't know which bothers me more, the sexual element, groups, and questions over and over; or the rudeness, childish name calling and attacks.
I do have a few new friends on here that I correspond with regularly and I have met 2 different people and 1 couple in person - all nice, friendly, real people with no sexual agendas. That is why I stay a member, those nice people I have met on TN and the hope there are a few more yet to meet.
Indeed, I am discouraged. This site just isn't fun anymore.
and...Very well put Gerry. I think it is time for a new site that starts off on the right foot with all the meaures already in place and site owners that actually care about the direction of the site.
I'm expecting that announcement within the next week or so.
Even buggy, and with a feature or two not quite polished, it's got to be better than this, since all it'll take is an active management, and how hard can that be ?
Watch your friends updates.
Hi everyone, Ive been a member of True Nudists for some time and am becoming a little discouraged. A saying goes something like this: There are none so deaf as those who will not hear, and none so blind as those who will not see. I always believed that given the right information and the right opportunity to digest it, most people would at least understand what nudism is or strives to be, whether they wish to agree with it or not. Im not so sure of that anymore. There are already many porn sites for activity that is sexual in nature. Many of these sites pose as nudist sites. Others may have started out as nudist sites and become overwhelmed with the pure number of people who would co-opt them for their own non-nudist purposes. There are some truly nudist sites that admit members under the most stringent of conditions to make sure only the most trustworthy nudists/people are admitted. And then there is this site which is, so far, walking the line as it too seems to be overwhelmed by those who would see its use perverted. For every snugglebunny, rabbitnbunnny, philfreeeuk, jackieinoz, Cheri_Donna, and curt44319, there seem to be at least 50 others whose goals dont seem to mesh with those of this site. Some dont like putting their face on cam for chatting. Others dont like being booted from chat temporarily, I might add for having broken a chat rule. Some wonder why their pictures of blatant erections or obviously spread labia are deleted. (When the labia itself is spread, thats TOO obvious.) Finally, when a heated argument starts, rather than just agreeing to disagree, some launch attacks and even public appeals for a member to be booted off. This is not what I signed up for. If I want sexually oriented material, there is any number of sites I can go to. In fact, theyre so numerous I wonder how they all manage to survive in such a competitive world. I certainly dont expect them to be representative of nudism and naturism. Thats not their role. And while it's nice to hear positive thingsabout nudism in mainstream media, I don't actively look to mainstream media to "push" our nudist agenda. I do expect better from a site like True Nudists. For so long I have been trying to see the newbies as people to educate. Im not sure I have the patience for that any longer. Forum has become a complain-a-thon. One person suggested a Wall of Shame where people who dont follow the rules can be outed. In my opinion, all this would do is give the anti-moderator crowd a place to further tarnish the reputation of some of the best among us. Indeed, I am discouraged. This site just isnt fun anymore.
Bravo Gerry 
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