There is an obvious and crucial difference between normal jewellery and genital decoration.Normal jewellery is designed to be seen while being dressed.So the question becomes, are you saying youre a nudist because you share the nudist philosophy or are you a nudist because you have this cock and you want people to notice how shiny youve made it?The later is his most nudist see the cockazzeled men. And thats our observed fact over a number of years.
I have been a nudist since I was a child, age 8 is when I started my journey of nudism. No one else in my entire family is/was a nudist that I am aware of. But I couldn't get past the thought/want of shedding my clothes, which I did as often as possible. Thankfully I grew up on a big farm so there was plenty of forest to go roam nude without being seen. I had the love of nudism long before I ever got to the point I started tattooing and piercing my body. I was in fact a body piercer for 5 years and pierced almost all of my own piercings, which I had 50 at one point all over my body. I was a nudist before the jewelry, I am still a nudist with the jewelry. Your perception of who and what I am simply because I chose to pierce my genitals is exactly that, yours. And your opinion definitely doesn't mean more to me than my own. You can choose to love it, to not like it, care less about it, be disgusted by it, etc..and that's all on you. As far as the "normal jewelry" comment, the above commenter stated that nudist wear no adornments in his opinion. Which is why I called out how ignorant that statement was. There are TONS of nudist who wear necklaces, wedding bands, toe rings, watches, etc. That doesn't make them somehow less of a nudist, which is the point he was driving that true nudist wear no adornments.
The comparison between a cockring and a wedding is so ludicrous and ridiculous it strains credulity that any thinking people would make that comparison without an unspoken agenda. All I could do was SMHThere is an obvious and crucial difference between normal jewelry and genital decoration.Normal jewelry is designed to be seen while being dressed..
I didn't make the comparison that cockrings and wedding rings were the same. You on the other hand made a clear statement that "true" nudist wear no adornments. Per your words that includes anything that isn't the natural nude body. Thus wedding bands, earrings, watches, toe rings, etc are all included in your all encompassing comment. How a person looks is no one's business but that person's. How you choose to judge them for their appearance is completely on you, not them. A person's behavior is what they should be judged for. If a nudist is being vulgar, sexual, harassing, etc then they should be called out and judged for that bad behavior. A woman walking along a nude beach with nipple rings, or a man walking along side her with a Prince Albert piercing are just two nudist who enjoy being naked at the beach. Whatever bits of metal they have attached to their body does not take away from the fact they are nudist. Contrary to what you have stated, individuality is a very healthy part of society, nudism as a whole is a rebellion against the norm and a need for individuality. But you judge those who choose to be different from you within the nudist community. Says a lot more about you than it does them.
The comparison between a cockring and a wedding is so ludicrous and ridiculous it strains credulity that any thinking people would make that comparison without an unspoken agenda. All I could do was SMHThere is an obvious and crucial difference between normal jewelry and genital decoration.Normal jewelry is designed to be seen while being dressed..I didn't make the comparison that cockrings and wedding rings were the same. You on the other hand made a clear statement that "true" nudist wear no adornments. Per your words that includes anything that isn't the natural nude body. Thus wedding bands, earrings, watches, toe rings, etc are all included in your all encompassing comment. How a person looks is no one's business but that person's. How you choose to judge them for their appearance is completely on you, not them. A person's behavior is what they should be judged for. If a nudist is being vulgar, sexual, harassing, etc then they should be called out and judged for that bad behavior. A woman walking along a nude beach with nipple rings, or a man walking along side her with a Prince Albert piercing are just two nudist who enjoy being naked at the beach. Whatever bits of metal they have attached to their body does not take away from the fact they are nudist. Contrary to what you have stated, individuality is a very healthy part of society, nudism as a whole is a rebellion against the norm and a need for individuality. But you judge those who choose to be different from you within the nudist community. Says a lot more about you than it does them.
Could not agree more! Especially with this part right here:
"individuality is a very healthy part of society, nudism as a whole is a rebellion against the norm and a need for individuality"
Imagine being part of a community many would consider counter culture and that, at its core, is about celebration of freedom just to try and police entry and eligibility like those that would choose to exclude you from "normal" society for not enjoying wearing clothes all of the time.
A counter culture is still a culture with its own codes of conduct and expectations of behaviour.
Just because it has one thing you like (nudity) does not mean its a free for all to do what you like culture.
"individuality is a very healthy part of society, nudism as a whole is a rebellion against the norm and a need for individuality"
This is a distinctly American view and perspective on nudism. One where individuality takes precedence over community. In parts of the world where nudism is growing community and connection rather than just individual expression is more the focus. So this may be why we see nudism on the decline. I respectfully disagree with you take on nudism being about individual rebellion but I understand given the distorted individualistic approach to nudism that tends to be favored in U.S. how you got to that conclusion.
This is a fundmental issue of import to this debate. If you look at most of the posts advocating the genital jewelry the focus is me my and I. I was this, my enjoyment, my pleasure. Very little action is paid to the communal culture that was for a long time the heart beat of nudism.
Once nudism got defined as getting naked and nudity of any kind became synonymous with nudism the individual libertine culture or should I say sub culture took hold and is now superceding nudism by trying to define nudism exclusively through that lens.
This is why in the US at least nudism has continued to diminish. There is no common ground for anyone in the main to suppor.t When they look at what now passes for nudist culture there is only the notion of the individual who wants to get naked whenever and whenever with what others rightly see as purely sexual overtones despite protestations of the libertines to the contrary. Brian Hoffmans book Naked - A cultural history of American Nudism does a great job at examining this change.
When the last nude beach is closed and only a few resorts remain I belive history will show that we squandered the social good will from the golden age of nudism for an exclusively individual liberty idea which has no chance of successful what so ever. Then the liberating sub culture will find another ism to attach itself to and nudism will be no more.A counter culture is still a culture with its own codes of conduct and expectations of behaviour.Just because it has one thing you like (nudity) does not mean its a free for all to do what you like culture.
It's so pleasant to read one of my own defending the attributes of individualism so adroitly! Thanks to my well-adorned bare son.
If nudists aren't anything else, they are typically people who think outside of the norm, and that includes making themselves into personal art if they have that desire. My decision to wear sandals to keep from hurting my feet on the rocks which do frequent our roads here at the resort is mine to make and no one else's. There is realistic expression of self and then there is the ridiculous and altogether inappropriate effort to make everyone conform to someone else's ideals. Being socially bare adds a level of thought to the equation which should remove some of the preconceptions which are otherwise lost to the world of cloth. By removing the guardrails, put in place by the covering up of the natural human body, this action allows us to show our truest selves, choosing to put aside the false comfort of covering up physically. A whole host of mental freedoms come along with the denuding of the skin, letting the real person show through. Like it or not, this is me, deal with it or keep on truckin'.
I've known nudists who do follow a strict regimen of nothing at all between them and the elements and the natural world, and I've watched with a little smile as they go forth without shoes, ouching their way across a field of grass which just happens to have sand spurs growing amongst the actual lawn. If it is cold we wear a robe; if we cannot handle much sun we wear a hat; if it is snowing we wear snowshoes. And if we care to augment ourselves with body art which offends someone, the external view is the viewer's to manage, not the work of art they cannot wrench their eyes away from ~ or cannot stand to look at. Nudism comes with a freedom of expression that is part of our human constitution ~ if the person doing the unnecessary assessment of someone else has too weak a constitution to handle the view, realize that is not important to the piece of artwork's sensibilities.
There are limits to this, without a doubt. Like wearing, in a public nude area, jewelry which is solely and clearly worn to bring up and out the wearer's sexual arousal, or having a tattoo that states the individual's penchant for buggering. You are what you eat, so-to-speak. Wear what you will to that adult-oriented rope typing camp, but have a little more respect for the rest of the nudist community, thank you.
For an extreme example: take a made-up person's unfortunate decision to have a swastika tattooed on one buttcheek and a Star of David on the adjoining buttock. When first sighting such a display of contradiction, one might ponder what level of alcohol did it take to reach that decision? Offense may be taken at one of those symbols, or both for that matter. It seems likely there will soon be a large ground war somewhere down the dark and scary crack between them cheeks. People seeing this may understandably judge the wearer as a racist or a self-righteous zealot, or a fool who got lost down the yin-yang highway, and they might form an opinion on that person without a word. I would move my towel away from that spot on the nude beach. Hate speech will follow the artwork - and that would be the bearer's proverbial 'cross to bear' if they bared it. The idea that by having it applied to their posterior they may in essence be saying to the viewer, "I've put all that shit behind me." Many people upon seeing this would be aghast, and in no way be the least bit interested in communicating with someone who would wear something like that. The idea that would come to this viewer's mind would include the assumption that the person wants no friends. But then again, that would be the antithesis of the desire to be socially nude, would it not?
homeclothesfree wrote:This is a distinctly American view and perspective on nudism. One where individuality takes precedence over community. In parts of the world where nudism is growing community and connection rather than just individual expression is more the focus. So this may be why we see nudism on the decline. I respectfully disagree with you take on nudism being about individual rebellion but I understand given the distorted individualistic approach to nudism that tends to be favored in U.S. how you got to that conclusion.
Your posts have given us a lot to think about. But I'm not sure I agree with you that the rise of "individualism" over the "common goal" is the reason for the decline in nudism unless you factor in what seems to be the general trend in society: that we are fracturing into groups that refuse to coexist with those who don't share their opinion on a certain issue. It shows up in the schisms in legislative bodies like Congress and Parliament, in the lack of serious face-to-face debate on controversial subjects, in news feeds that are tailored to your point of view, and so on. Salman Rushdie has pointed out in recent interviews how we are all becoming fundamentalists, like the one who attacked him. There is a rising trend to becoming immune to dissenting opinion and reasonable discourse, and therefore being willing to do things that are not rational.
How does that relate to this discussion? It's a matter of deciding whether you want to go for the "big tent" concept, where we decide to encompass a wide variety of aspects of nudism relying on a common love of a lack of clothing, or instead go for the "small tent" concept, where we define nudism according to our own traditions and mores, and exclude those who don't subscribe to them.
Organized social nudism in the Western world started out as a glorification of the naked body and an aspiration to purify and exalt it through exercise, diet, and spiritual connection to nature. To be a true "naturist," you had to do daily calisthenic and, shun tobacco, alcohol, and meat. There are still people who believe that, and all power to them. But I don't see many of them in the nudist venues I go to, like private house parties, resorts, and nude beaches.
Are we ready to make an accommodation for those who like the feel of cock rings on their penises, or clamps on their nipples? If it means that by including them we increase our numbers and our impact on society, then my feeling is to admit them to the club, while holding true to our common love for social nudity. I won't be wearing those things myself, just as I won't be getting a tattoo or a piercing. But I will respect their need for such things to enhance their own self-image. And I'll share a drink with them at the pool.
We are created male and female, and a lot in between. For some people, their gender affirmation is a serious thing, and they advertise it through genital jewelry, makeup, and lipstick. As for the rest of us, we don't give a damn about it. But we're all in this together, and owe each other a modicum of respect for our world-views.
Woodsman you know I respect your views, many of them are aligned with my world view, but I respect the ones that arent too.But we're all in this together, and owe each other a modicum of respect for our world-views.
Yes, this if a fantastic sentiment and one I also hold, but I think youve missed the point of what HCF, I, and others are making.
Yes we all deserve a modicum of respect, but is it respectful to turn up at a family resort or beach with disassembled Newtons Cradle attached to your cock, with the excuse, its just jewellery. who is this person giving a modicum of respect to?
If you want people to respect you, then read the room and act respectfully.
And respectfully, in my experience the guy with the cow bell hanging from his balls isnt making that many friends with his personal world view.
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