You will get the same reaction if you bring up Politics, Religion, Abortion, Gun control....
Ok, so you're saying you're uncomfortable or even offended by the fact that someone's mentioned their sexuality. Why is that anyone else's problem apart from yours?You could say I don't feel the need to advertise or push an agenda..IMHO This Covid thing is a minor issue compared to the mass insanity in the general population. Far too many people pushing agendas with the "Me first, screw you" attitude :-(
Who is trying to push an agenda, and what agenda is it you think they are trying to push? How is someone mentioning their sexuality a massive "Screw you" to you? Why have you interpreted their existence as such an affront to yours?Can't we all just get along.
Yeah sure, we can all get along if you can accept that some people are different to you. If you interpret someone saying they are gay or bisexual as them telling you "Me first, Screw you" then that's you taking offense to someone else's existence and therefore you're the one causing the division.
This is all so well put!
What is all so well put? Anything and everything that everyone has said here? Sounds like someone I used to work with. He always agreed with everyone regardless of what they said - lol. Good way to get along with everyone.
A very sad state of affairs. Ive found the chatroom clunky and uninviting. Most with whom I interact I do by messaging and asking if they wish to communicate on a common interest area or being in a similar locality in addition to being nudists. My sexuality is my own and its part of my private life, however if it becomes relevant in a conversation then of course Im honest and open about it as it is an aspect of who I am.
If someone even dares to mention they are anything other than straight in the chatroom, they are immediately chastised for it. They will have more than one person jump on them telling them "NO-ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION!"Ok so some people really don't care about sexual orienation at all, I'm one of thse people. I will simply read it when someone says they are gay or bisexual and just ignore it, I don't really have an opinion either way because it doesn't make any difference to me, it neither negatively or positively impacts my existence. That's literally the defintion of not caring about sexual orientation.If you're having to make a point about how little you care about sexual orientation, to the point where you feel the need to type in BLOCK CAPITAL LETTERS: "NO-ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION", that suggests that actually you care quite a lot about the fact that someone has had the nerve to mention that they are bisexual or gay.If it's not an issue, then why do these people make such an issue out of it? There is no rule anywhere, either in the chatroom rules or the terms of service that says a person cannot mention their sexual orientation. There is a rule that says "No sexual discussion" but simply mentioning your orientation whatever it may be doesn't break that rule at all. Saying you're gay doesn't mean you're trying to have cybersex with the entire chatroom or even just one person in the chatroom.Now if it were just one or two regular usrrs who had a problem, that's one thing. When it's two chatroom moderators who are making up chatroom rules as they go along, that's quite another. One chatroom moderator "Rosey" recently told a friend of mine that she wasn't allowed to ask someone if they were gay. Nothing about that in the rules but apparently it's not allowed.More recently CplMoe71 made an issue out of the non-issue of mentioning sexual orientation with an all block capitals warning to a user for mentioning something which no-one cares about (screenshot below):So I ask again, if mentioning sexual orientation is not an issue, because no-one cares about it (remember?), then why do these people make such an issue out of it? The only conclusion I can come to, unless someone else has any other ideas, is that the people making an issue out of it whilst simultaneously not caring are actually rather homophobic and detest the idea that some people are slightly different to them.I can't discuss this further with CplMoe71 as he kicked me out of the chatroom for asking him why he was making an issue out of a non-issue. So that seems to be his only solution, to abuse his powers to avoid answering awkward questions about why he has such a problem with people mentioning sexual orientation in the chatroom.In short CplMoe71 was breaking a written rule: "Be nice, no rudity harrassing or trolling" and harrassing/flaming a user for mentioning sexual orientation in order to enforce a rule that doesn't even exist. Then he further abused his power and banned people from the chatroom for pointing this out.It's worth noting CplMoe71 usues "Cpl" in his username to indicate he's part of a couple.... NO-ONE CARES THAT HE'S IN A STRAGHT RELATIONSHIP AND PART OF A COUPLE, NO-ONE CARES!! SO WHY DO WE NEED TO KNOW THIS?I don't want or need an answer to the above question because I actually don't care, it really doesn't affect me. But I'm not going to fund this site while intolerance such as homophobia are allowed to go unchallenged. If moderators can't be impartial and tolerant of people then they really shouldn't be moderators.
Having approached this topic in the most sensitive and supportive of ways here and outside in the world, having been patient and endured listening to terrible rationalizations for why its acceptable, I am going to say it's not going to resolve any time soon. There has always been and unfortunately still is homophobia in the nudist and naturist worlds, and in some ways, far more conservative of faded and outdated traditions which stigmatize the out and open gay man, in part as a way to conceal or draw attention away from activity in or around the so called straight core of support that is strictly not suoposed to be happening according to the stated rules. I had a dude arguing that the word homosexual was not acceptable by naturism because it had the word sex in it. When I pointed out that heterosexual was the same he said but its not gay sex. This was at a pride parade marching under our organization's permit with no financial support.
Having approached this topic in the most sensitive and supportive of ways here and outside in the world, having been patient and endured listening to terrible rationalizations for why its acceptable, I am going to say it's not going to resolve any time soon. There has always been and unfortunately still is homophobia in the nudist and naturist worlds, and in some ways, far more conservative of faded and outdated traditions which stigmatize the out and open gay man, in part as a way to conceal or draw attention away from activity in or around the so called straight core of support that is strictly not suoposed to be happening according to the stated rules. I had a dude arguing that the word homosexual was not acceptable by naturism because it had the word sex in it. When I pointed out that heterosexual was the same he said but its not gay sex. This was at a pride parade marching under our organization's permit with no financial support.
I cant comment about this site, as they arent members, but my brother and his partner have found the naturist community as a whole far more accepting of them as a gay couple then certain elements of the gay community itself. They have been welcomed and accepted wherever they have been as naturists in the UK or Europe. Whereas they have been made to feel unwelcome by certain elements if they gay community because they are happy just living their life as a couple, dont get involved in campaigning and have concerns about whether events like Pride actually do the gay cause more harm that good. Dont jump down my throat, they are their views as a gay couple who have been together more than 20 years. Dont judge the naturist community on its attitude to gays by what goes in in the chatroom on here.
I rarely identify myself as gay. But as I'm a male, and married to a man, that can lead to odd misunderstandings, since the assumption is that everyone is straight. My partner's name isn't plainly gendered, so the assumptions and the reality can veer pretty far apart for a remarkably long time. That assumption system - all the hippopotamus dancing in the cartoon are male, unless they're wearing pearls and lipstick, all the married men are married to women, all the faceless usernames are of white people - gets old. Yes, if you are a straight, white, male then all those assumptions work for you, feel completely natural, and produce no surprises, so why would you ever specify? But if one is a person the general assumptions don't apply to (and this is most of us, actually), then the choice is either to wait for the little surprise to come up at some random point, or to get ahead of it and proceed with more clarity. Offering a brief description of oneself isn't "pride", or confrontation. Its a perfectly conventional introductory strategy and conversation-starter. If it really bothers you, your politics are showing.
Thank you for articulating this so well and with class!
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