It did not take long for the bigoted people who run this website to take down my gymnastic pose photograph, even though I had already cut it so that you could not see anything more than legs and feet.
Not having seen the photo, it's impossible to speculate as to what may have happened, or why. If you truly believe the photo meets the requirements and rules for photos for the site, than all that can be suggested is to re-submit it and see if it sticks. If that fails, some of us ( me anyway ) would be happy to take a private look, and render an opinion.IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHY YOUNGER PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER COMING INTO THE NATURIST LIFESTYLE IT IS PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THOSE SORT OF CENSORSHIP ISSUES.
Perhaps a reason why we don't see so many younger people on this web site, but I can't see a direct relationship between web site editing, and a lifestyle or recreational activity ? Nothing says a person MUST be on some website to enjoy doing a thing.ONCE AGAIN A WEBSITE ACTUALLY ACTS ILLEGALLY BY IMPOSING SUCH CENSORSHIP.
Methinks not !
As a web site owner, I can do whatever I like with it, provided it doesn't include slander, libel, copyright issues, and other such blatantly illegal activities.
Adding, or allowing to be added, may cross legal lines, but methinks removing, or prohibiting adding almost anything is legal anywhere.
I am not a supporter of censorship per se...... I think it is a case of protection as such. I have not seen the picture obviously, but there was one from a couple a while back, that they were quite happy standing doing something but the guy had an erection and it was unnecessary, maybe it slipped though the net so to speak.
Also the profile pictures really need to be trawled through as such to remove "genitals" only poses.
I love naturism, so natural and free....... When we were doing naturist B&B in the UK, I wish sites like these were available....... but sadly strange people would ask my wife stupid questions about what she was wearing etc etc. I was totally naive about all of this.
So ultimately we need some form of censorship to keep things in line and not turning something like this into a semi porn site.
I am glad to be a member of such a site as this....... keep it simple and naturist style.
Happy New year to everyone here, and thank you to those who have added my wife and I as friends - it is valued
Steve
I am hoping now that I am replying properly!
I am a supporter of some form of censorship, having been a member here for a short while I have seen pictures that really should not be deemed to be of a naturist style....... already erection, and male posing in the main, it is all unnecessary, and not for a site like this.
I believe the screening of pictures is necessary BUT the moderators should allow pictures to be sent direct and then if they are untoward remove them.
Sites like this are necessary to keep naturism going, one should rely on human being showing respect for all others..... sadly I m unable to comment on the particular photo being referred to and calling the moderators "bigoted".
There are many pictures on here that in my honest opinion are not required in a naturist ideal, and should be removed...... We all have our own opinions on nudity, and it should all be kept in the context intended.
On the strength of that I hope our simplistic christmas day pics are published, and may we wish everyone here a happy 2011.
Steve
There are many pictures on here that in my honest opinion are not required in a naturist ideal, and should be removed...... We all have our own opinions on nudity, and it should all be kept in the context intended.
Unfortunately, since this site is accessible by the general public, a greater responsibility exists !!
What might be deemed acceptable in a truly nudist environment, may not be acceptable here, for the impression it may give to the casual reader not of our persuasion.
You and I agree. Nudism is not about dropping one's pants and merely exposing one's genitals, though one could too easily get that impression from too many of the available photos.
It did not take long for the bigoted people who run this website to take down my gymnastic pose photograph, even though I had already cut it so that you could not see anything more than legs and feet. IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHY YOUNGER PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER COMING INTO THE NATURIST LIFESTYLE IT IS PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THOSE SORT OF CENSORSHIP ISSUES. ONCE AGAIN A WEBSITE ACTUALLY ACTS ILLEGALLY BY IMPOSING SUCH CENSORSHIP.
From reading what you have to say and the way it is worded, I think your main concern should be that of attitude, not what pic's are removed. You have a serious attitude problem. Get it sorted out before it is too late.
I have messaged the young lady, she seems quite reasonable, just outraged that her photo was removed. I have suggested that maybe she could re-create it in a clothed version and crop it in the same way. Then we would be able to suggest where the problem was. From what she says it was not a pose that involves running and jumping, but a floor based exercise. So we will have to wait and see what her reaction is. She says it was cropped so that her genitals were not on display.
I will ask her to send me the cropped image that was removed and I can photoshop a bikini onto it - but there's a problem, the area I would have photoshopped the bikini onto has been cropped off the image. I actually saw the original image and if I had taken it and loaded it to my photographer profile I wouldn't have even tagged it as 'over 18' - I cannot see why this image was removed regardless of the debate about it being illegal or legal censorship!! She has here reasons for not showing full nude images and they are valid, there is an image of her face on the profile!!!
When it comes down to it freedom of speech only goes so far.
Correct ! It stops at the geographical boarders of the United States of America, and the geographic boarders of a few other nations as well.
Beyond that, there is NO freedom of speech, save the "freedom" to open one's mouth and suffer the consequences of whatever jurisdiction one might be in, regardless of where one claims citizenship.
Also the profile pictures really need to be trawled through as such to remove "genitals" only poses.
Casacristeva: I am not sure if you are aware of it Steve, but this site is run by one man (known as TT1). He has designated the site as self-policing, there is a team of mods for the chat room, but not for the rest of the site. There is however a thread devoted to the purpose of cleaning up this site named another day another flagging2. If folks find anything dodgy going on it is reported on there, then flagged by anyone who agrees for the attention of TT1. He then decides what if any action should be taken. If you would like to become a certified member you could help in the task. As for trawling the profile photos that is a good idea but there are 64806 profiles currently on the site, so it may take some time and a lot of co-ordination. Incidentally of those 5032 are in natureloz's age group (18-20).
If it was my dime I would only accept Certified members (although there would be a probationary period) for each person so that they could have limited acces to the site before they chose to take the cert or not. But that would take an awful lot of work.
Billez: The reason she did not show her genitals on the photo is that she read the rules before submitting it, and cropped it accordingly to abide by the rules. I get the feeling from what she told me that she has no problems with the nudity but as she says she does look young.
NIM: I am glad to hear that you have settled your differences, when I have messaged her she has always come across as a reasonable person; who is just a little P****d at having one of her first contrubutions trashed.
I see people throwing accusations back and forth about censorship on this site and I'd like to express some of my concerns. I really don't want to get into these issues as to what is right and proper in this case. What really disturbs me is the way people bandy about the U.S. Constitution in attempting to prove their argument. This is not what this document is designed for and it is a misuse of its contents. The Constitiuion was written by a group of people from diverse backgrounds and locations who were attempting towritea set ofrules and regulations to form a government. Notice that I said people and not citizens because it was written by "We The People" and they weren't citizens because the government did not yet exist. These people gave the Government certain enumerated powers and withheld ALL powers not enumerated to themselves. They were also very careful in placing limits upon the powers of the Federal Government. These limiting conditions are usually referred to as the Bill Of Rights. If you read through the Constitution it stresses what the Government is NOT ALLOWED to do and is very specific in saying what is allowed. Therefore, when people try to use the Constitution to prove a point in this Forum, I'd like to know where the Government is harming them or what right they are being deprived of. People complain constantly that they are being denied certain "Rights". Well I have news for them. That same Constitution that guaranteed these rights also established a system for settling any greviences one may have if their rights are violated.
When I was sworn into the US Army, and several times since then, I took an oathto protect and preserve the Constitution of the United States. I have long since been discharged from the US Army but to my knowledge no one has discharged me from my duty to protect and defend our great Constitution. I believe that preventing its misuse falls in the realm of defending it. This is a very sacred document and one that should not be misused in an attempt to settle a petty differences of opinion.
I could add much more but I'll get out of here so someone else can have their say. God Bless America and preserve the Constitution of the United States
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